After a longer-than-intended hiatus, Sonder Union is back with a conversation that feels especially fitting at a moment when many things feel in flux. I sat down with Pat Patino, a fellow "reluctant sorta-lawyer" who's made the decision to stop practicing law after giving himself a six-month deadline to see if things would feel different. They didn't.
What follows is a wide-ranging discussion about intensity, the challenge of getting past the 90% threshold in anything, and what it means to live an impractical life. We cover everything from the Chinese literati to Crumble Cookies to the spiritual nature of legal practice, somehow managing to find coherence in the wandering. Pat's reflection on non-attachment and his Latin phrase "to the late comers are left the bones"—along with his question "what if the bones are the point?"—captures something essential about this moment many of us find ourselves in.
You can listen on Substack, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. As always, I'm grateful you're here for these conversations about the spaces between who we are and who we're supposed to be.
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